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| Q20: Rebuking condemnaion of Ellen White.. 1Ti 1:18 � This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; There's a war going on out there over words. SCIENCE can test words only in the NOW, not historical accounts of facts which cannot be wholly examined in one sitting in time and place. This subjective form of science is not true science, and leads to misleading conclusions. This happens when we twist historical facts, leave out all the facts we have, and make biased opinions based on our own agenda. The devil rages war with those who have the witness of Jesus: Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. What is this witness in the end times ? Re 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. The witness at the end of time, beginning at the end of the 2300 day prophecy, is the rise of an end of time prophet speaking special messages that witness to us about Jesus. So let's go through a website "nonsda.org" totally devoted to discrediting the messages of Ellen White, and show other theories of faith. QUOTE: "In Revelation 18, Babylon is described as a female who commits fornication with the kings of the earth (Rev. 18:3). This could only refer to the "whore" of Revelation 17. Rev. 17:18 says the "whore" is "that great city." The "great city" is identified in Rev. 11:8 as the city where "our Lord was crucified." All Christians agree that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. Source Link Da 4:30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty? (Aramaic "great" city") Jer 51:55 Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; (Hebrew:"great" "voice") Jer 50:9 � For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: (Hebrew:"great" "nations") Re 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! (Greek:"great" "city") Re 18:21 ... that great city Babylon be thrown down...(Greek:"great" "city") The reference to the "great city" can apply to both Jerusalem and Ba bylon, they were both "great cities". Re 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. A reference to old Jerusalem perhaps? Re 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. A reference to old Jerusalem perhaps, but using strange similes as Sodom and Egypt? why ? The city had become a backsliding one as a simile of Babylon perhaps? Ge 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, 12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city . A reference to Nimrod building great cities... Jer 22:8 And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city ? A reference to old Jerusalem ? Jon 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me. A reference to old Nineveh ? There were many old great cities mentioned in Scripture, but only one has origins in Baal, that Nimrod established, Babylon of old. This great city is labelled as Babylon for a reason. The author of the website "nonorg.org" writes an interesting but biased account, and one should stick to ALL Bible references for "great city" and not jump to other wrong theories of faith. The author mocks the word "remnant" saying only one church claims to be God's final remnant church. Source Link Her messages do make claim that the little remnant that remains will come into all the truth in the last days, but until then, there are many hundreds of Church Assemblies following the Saturday Sabbath and living by the light Jesus gives them from Scripture. It is true GOD will call others into His fold, and this fold is called a remnant, those that keep the commandments of GOD and have the faith of Jesus. QUOTE: " In God's Word, 'tithe' does not stand alone. It is the 'tithe of FOOD.' The biblical tithe was very narrowly defined and limited by God Himself. True biblical tithes were always: What does "tithe" mean? Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye h ave robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes "ma`aser" of all. What this only food and animals? Or the spoils of war ? gold, silver and treasures as well? Le 27:30 And all the tithe "ma`aser" of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. Here the land which increases was to be tithed, its plant and animal wealth. Ge 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. Here Jacob promises to give God a tenth of His increase to Him. In those days a nomadic farmer could increase his wealth with natural birth of animals. Since Israel in older days was an agricultural nation their increase was based on what the land could increase under God's blessings, but for us today are there not other means God can bless us ? In Mal 3:8, we see a Hebrew word "spoil (rob) used only in one other context: Pr 22:23 For the LORD will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them. What does it mean that our soul spoils God in our tithe and offerings? So the people were draining GOD, taking away His blessings by not giving their love back. If ye shall freely receive shall we not also freely give? Le 27:28 Notwithstanding no devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD. Does this not say that the increase of the land could be sold or redeemed as money unto the Lord? De 14:22 � Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Some scholars say these verses refer to exceptional cases, but in the olden days even though barter was more common than money, one could exchange the tithe into money. One could almost agree with the author that tithing only relates to free will giving on that which the land produces...the other contexts seem vague. Is this why we have latter day messages from Jesus to His people living in the last days, to make newer applications from older torah teachings, more clearer? Or perhaps the people who do smoking, play heavy rock music and war computer games can also say, well the Bible does not speak of these evils, so its OK, isn't it? Absolutely not! Ac 20:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. Paul was a pioneer evangelist and he worked among Gentiles without asking for his support. Paul used a trade to support himself. However from the context of his statement even to write this clearly shows that tithe system was something already known and used by God's priests and prophets. 1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Paul is clearly saying that the minister of the gospel should be supported by the gospel. The offerings Paul took back to Jerusalem, along with the tithes, was not plant and animals products, it would have been money to travel by ship, countless miles until he reached Jerusalem. 1Ti 5:17 � Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. This is a principle that the worker deserve his wages, clearly suggests that regulated giving was part of the love response by those who loved GOD and showed this love towards those ministers who served the people with God's love. The only question one could debate with is how much were the people expected to give ? Certainly the lowest amount one could give is one tenth. Or does one simple abolish all the Old Testament teachings, and say we live only by the New Testament? What would happen to Creation, Moses, Job and Joshua, these people were saved differently from Paul, Peter and James? The same Jesus who baptised Israel under the Red Sea baptised Paul and Peter and others in the New Testament with a brand new system of teachings of salvation? God forbid. The Lord does not change, and if the salvation system is based on love, does the New Testament contains a different love than the Old Testament ? Absolutely not. Love does not change either. The attitudes and principles of love never change. Jesus does suggest the way we apply love in the New testament will change as new wine-skins require a new setting, but this does not mean the grape juice is biologically changed..no...the wine is the same, only the applications of wine has changed. 2Co 9:6 � But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. This may be speaking more of offerings than tithe. Tithe means a tenth and its generousity was fixed, but freewill offerings is open to a heart response. Ac 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? There are no website willing to ask why Ananias died for lying to the Holy Spirit. Were all the early Christians giving 100% of their possessions to the church during this time? If this is the case it explains why Ananias died for being selfish, but it asks a greater question, why don't all modern churches expect the congregation to give all their possessions to the Lord's cause? They don't because the churches today have backsliden into apostasy, the people are selfish or both. So if we take even the smallest percentage of this as a reason for Ananias' death, they kept back part of even the tithe that naturally never belonged to them to begin with and pretended to give, an offering that did not follow any Torah-teaching? That coming from a Hebrew system of tithe giving makes more sense for the death penalty, when God killed people for other public displays of disobedience in the Old Testament, and if the New Testament is no different to the Old Testament, it is the same GOD we serve in Hebrew, then here is evidence that grace and mercy has limits, even in God's new church of Christians. And thus it serves to show an example how kind and loving GOD is, but that also He has hard love as well. And perhaps tithe is just a small token of demonstrating our love response back to GOD. QUOTE: " The Bible truth is that there is nothing in Daniel 7 or Revelation 14 describing an Investigative Judgement of the righteous. We challenge any Seventh-day Adventist to show us one verse in these passages that talks about a judgement of the righteous. There is none, because the only judgement described in these passages is the judgement of God upon the wicked. "END QUOTE. Source Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgement was set, and the books were opened. This judgement does happen prior to Jesus coming, does not say whom is being judged... Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgement is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. This judgement does happen prior to Jesus coming, does not say whom is being judged... 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God : and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Notice at the end of time, judgement begins with those who know truth, in the house of God, and they have to make a decision that determines their probation for eternity, than the rest of those outside the house of God, are allowed to come into the truth at a later time, as the end of time continues to unfold. Mt 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Is this a pre-advent judgement or an investigative judgement, in this parable ? The people who came to the wedding were "saved" in a sense simply by putting on the "King supplied wedding garment". Only one man refus ed to wear the wedding garment, so his salvation was removed at judgement. After the investigative judgement, the king and the invited guests came upon the wedding feast, and everybody was declared worthy of partaking. Le 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. Every year, once a year, the children of Israel gathered around their tents in prayer on their knees while the High Priest made Atonement for their sin-offering on a special day. GOD came down on this day for a pre-advent judgement or an investigative judgement on the righteous here?Is this scene a parallel like the parable of the wedding garment, many are chosen but few are found worthy. If God does know all our sinning and our hearts before the Day of Atonement, why then do the children need to make Atonement if they are already saved? Notice another case of salvation:- Ex 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover. All those who put Lamb's blood on the doorpost of their house was saved, even some Egyptians did this, sparing their eldest son from death. So during the Exodus where not all those that journeyed saved by grace and faith in GOD their Saviour ? Yes absolutely all were saved.... Ex 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. If they were all rescued by God and journeyed with GOD, and therefore saved by GOD; why than do some fail to obey His commandments when GOD comes down to judge with with pre-advent judgement or investigative judgement? So obviously not all people saved by GOD are in fact saved by God for eternity, some in fact lose their way and fall out of salvation, even though they were saved in the beginning. This is why GOD has phases of investigating His Church, not for His sake but for those looking on, ourselves first and other unfallen beings. How would we know we are saved ourselves if we did not have a phase of judgement? And judgement often comes with affliction which makes those being judged more humble and meek. Da 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. Here is but one example of judgement, in which three souls had there cases come before men. They were afflicted but proved faithful. Even Jesus the Son of Elohim came down from heaven to confirm that these three souls were indeed saved during judgement. Some also lay claim to the scapegoat being Jesus.If Jesus is the Lamb or goat that takes away the sin-offering for our sinning, what purpose does the scapegoat serve? The sin-offering in Hebrew is the word "chataah" and in Scripture is a simile of a ruler over us. Ge 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin "chataah" (sin-offering) lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. So if sin-offering is a master ruling over us, WHOM are we a slave to? Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. Notice a judgement happens here at Jesus death, there is a change of ruler-ship over certain human beings, from Satan as King to Jesus as King, the humans now have a choice. Notice sin-offering is symbol of TWO kings wanting to rule over your soul. Nu 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. Satan is the serpent , yet Jesus was lifted up on the Cross, shows both KINGS were lifted in a war against each other. The natural King of our sin-offering is Satan, the challenger to sin-offering is Christ. So the Lord's Goat is Jesus wanting to rule over us, and Jesus offers us immediately a change in our character, but our flesh remains trapped under the propensities of older ruler-ship. The Scapegoat is Satan ruling over us empty handed in the wilderness alone with the sin-offering flesh transferred to Him, who originally made Adam change the ruler-ship over his flesh through sinning, causing genetic propensities to be wrought upon all those born of condemned flesh. There are many more aspects of judgement one could discuss. First there are no righteous no not one, so in one sense all mankind are investigated by GOD prior to His coming. Ps 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. This passage says all are with propensities leading to dysfunction. All as filthy rags. The character or spirit is willing but the flesh with it's propensties for dysfunction is weak. Mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Those who are saved by Jesus are found upright before Him and begin the daily journey of removing all propensities that lead to sinning in one's life, a process called quickening the flesh, that takes a slow renewal of mind and soul, lest our character be removed from us with the cleansing. The process is daily and we are renewed creatures in Christ, the creative process of the Holy Spirit. Thus our standing before GOD changes daily as we respond to that love. Our relationship with GOD does not fall into and out of His love, for there are sin-offerings not unto death. Why is the a formal investigation into the lives of every human being on planet earth? How unfair would it be if only the wicked were thoroughly judged but not the righteous? How could God's love be declared vindicated and fair? And what is the basis for salvation? Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. There are two aspects of salvation here, first the mind receives Jesus and thus receives salvation based on love. But secondly the love sown in the heart must produce fruits in order to confirm that salvation really was sown. Works do not save us, our works do however confirm our love from GOD is alive and healthy. Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Character can only be assessed day by day with investigation by unfallen beings, by angels and by other humans looking into the heavenly books in heaven, for all these Beings are not GOD and cannot see into the heart, they can only read the actions of character, not the character itself. This is why there is an investigation of the love fruits of all who lay claim to be sowing Jesus love in their lives. QUOTE:"The place of the Lord's presence in the Old Testament tabernacle was upon the mercy seat in the Most Holy Place. In order for Christ to have entered into the "presence of God" He must have entered into the Most Holy Place to appear before the mercy seat of God."END QUOTE. Source Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest "hagion" of all "hagion" ; Ex 26:33 And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy "qodesh" place and the most "qodesh" holy "qodesh". What is clear from the above texts, the holy place is not the same as the holy holy place. The Hebrew language does not use adjectives, and the Greek is obviously a translation of the Hebrew because it repeats the Greek word "hagion" twice as does the Hebrew language. Jesus at His ascension entered the ministry in the Holy Place, as our Redeemer and Saviour. This is the same model as the earthly High Priest in the earthly sanctuary which modelled the one in heaven. After the heavenly Day of Atonement, did Jesus enter the Holy Holy place as a Judge, not as a Redeemer or Saviour, He took up an additional another role. And we know Jesus sits as the right hand of the Father, but one thing is not clear: is the functional work of the sanctuary near the Father's throne ? We assume this because of the mercy seat located in the sanctuary model. That is an assumption based on theories of faith, and no Scripture tells us where the Father's throne is in relation to the Sanctuary services. And even if the Father's throne is locatedin the holy holy place where Jesus also resides sometimes, Hebrew does not describe details as Greek thinking desires, Hebrew is more about functions and action. The purpose of making rooms in the sanctuary in heaven may be more describing different functions of members of the Family of GOD rather than describing their locations relative to each other. QUOTE: "Daniel 8:9 says the little horn would originate from one of the divisions of Alexander's empire when these were in their "latter time" (v. 23). This points us toward a power originating from t he Greek world sometime after 300 BC. Rome was never part of the Alexandrian Empire, nor did it originate from one of the divisions of the Greek Empire. .. Therefore, Rome could not possibly fit the prophetic symbol of a horn arising from a horn within the Greek Empire."END QUOTE. Source It was an interesting read, perhaps GOD is smart enough to write both empires into prophecy at the same time depending upon how you see the symbolism? Da 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. We know that Alexander the Great broken into four kingdoms, that went out into the four compass points over the heavens of the earth. Da 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. So which direction did this little horn come ? To wax towards the South, East and the pleasant land (Israel), the little horn had to come from the North and West. That makes the little horn, a new upcoming horn from the Northern Greek horn nearby just across the bay, towards the West, Rome. QUOTE"Contrary to Sabbatarian assertions, the Bible is completely silent upon the subject of the �Sabbath� until the time of the Exodus. In fact, the word �Sabbath� is not even mentioned in the Bible until 2,600 years after Creation week. Check your Bible Concordance and you will discover the Hebrew word for �rest� (�Shabbat�/Sabbath � in the sense of resting from one�s work) is not mentioned until the Exodus, 2,600 years after Creation! ."END QUOTE. Source Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he ("ceased" (shabbath) on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. The Hebrew word "shabbath" is mentioned in Genesis. The noun and verb forms of a Hebrew word with the same spelling have exactly the same meanings, but different actions. Sabbath (verb) in-completed action "to cease" Sabbath (noun) completed action "ceasing" Why God began ceasing on the seventh day but did not complete the ceasing is because in order to complete this time, one would have to say the evening and morning the seventh day, but this implies the weekly cycle did not end, that Sunday the eighth day was part of the seven days of the week. This is why the seventh day time starts but does not finish, indicating a week cycle of time is referenced. See studies of the Hebrew word "cease" both verb and noun forms convey the same meaning. |
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Here the word "qaba" Strong's 6906 means according to Jeff Benner to "drain", the Ancient Hebrew reads "Over the horizon the home sees".
