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What heaven is like, wandering from GOD,

Q59: 66. "Controversy"

Show the Desire of Ages is inspired..

(1) People who wander

The Sadducees reasoned that if the body is to be composed of the same particles of matter in its immortal as in its mortal state, then when raised from the dead it must have flesh and blood, and must resume in the eternal world the life interrupted on earth. In that case they concluded that earthly relationships would be resumed, husband and wife would be reunited, marriages consummated, and all things go on the same as before death, the frailties and passions of this life being perpetuated in the life beyond.

In answer to their questions, Jesus lifted the veil from the future life. "In the resurrection," He said, "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." He showed that the Sadducees were wrong in their belief. Their premises were false. "Ye do err," He added, "not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God." He did not charge them, as He had charged the Pharisees, with hypocrisy, but with error of belief.

The Greek word "planao" 4105, translated "err" is the Hebrew word "taah" 8582, meaning to "wander". If you wander from the Holy Writings, you will not support them, and become wrong in your thinking.

The Greek word "aggelos" 32, is the Hebrew word "malak" 4397, meaning "messenger". There is a Greek word for the Hebrew word "cherub" 3742, and this Greek word "cherubim" 5502, meaning "angel" is actually written as Hebrew in Greek, proving the Greek is a translation of the Hebrew.

Heb 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

The word for "angel" is only used once in the New Testament. All other verses in the NT use "messenger".

What is interesting Jesus did not say the humans restored in heaven would become as angels, but be like messengers, given different functions other than the earthly functions, such as marriage.

There is evidence in the DNA that before the fall and after the fall, certain genes can be switched on or off. The functional need for reproduction in the new earth will be switched off.

The key message from Jesus on this, is do not wander from the Holy Writings. And support Jesus only by the words that are already written.

The Spirit of Prophecy says ...

Their ignorance of the Scriptures and the power ofGod He declared to be the cause of their

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confusion of faith and darkness of mind. They were seeking to bring the mysteries of God within the compass of their finite reasoning. Christ called upon them to open their minds to those sacred truths that would broaden and strengthen the understanding. Thousands become infidels because their finite minds cannot comprehend the mysteries of God. They cannot explain the wonderful exhibition of divine power in His providences, therefore they reject the evidences of such power, attributing them to natural agencies which they can comprehend still less. The only key to the mysteries that surround us is to acknowledge in them all the presence and power of God. Men need to recognize God as the Creator of the universe, One who commands and executes all things.

Is is necessary to know all things about GOD in order to love GOD?

We use electricity just fine and know.. hardly anything about where or how elecricity is made ?Is this power made by distrubing the Father's Zero point Energy field surrounding our universe?Why do we need to know such things before we experiment with them, thus we support our ideas about this power, we have faith in the power, that it will work.

Ps 131:1 I [do not] exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.

This website is about keeping things simple, in child like faith, but knowing the real words in Jesus' teachings... not trusting humans and their traditions to guide us, but what the Holy Writings say in the Writings.And if the Writings do not say, don't worry about it. Shalom

(2) How the SOP deals with fuzzy translations..

The Pharisees had exalted the first four commandments, which point out the duty of man to his Maker, as of far greater consequence than the other six, which define man's duty to his fellow man. As the result,

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they greatly failed of practical godliness. Jesus had shown the people their great deficiency, and had taught the necessity of good works, declaring that the tree is known by its fruits. For this reason He had been charged with exalting the last six commandments above the first four.

The lawyer approached Jesus with a direct question, "Which is the first commandment of all?" The answer of Christ is direct and forcible: "The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." The second is like the first, said Christ; for it flows out of it, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

The first four of the Ten Commandments are summed up in the one great precept, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart." The last six are included in the other, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." Both these commandments are an expression of the principle of love. The first cannot be kept and the second broken, nor can the second be kept while the first is broken. When God has His rightful place on the throne of the heart, the right place will be given to our neighbor. We shall love him as ourselves. And only as we love God supremely is it possible to love our neighbor impartially.

First notice the Greek writing we have on this passage:-

Mr 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

The Greek word "seautou" 4572, is the Hebrew word "kamow" 3644, which actually means "like", to "compare something to something else".

The Author will translate this word correctly in the first four writings of this word, to show how it is used correctly.

  • Ge 19:15 � And like as the morning arose, the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
  • Ex 9:18 Behold, to morrow about this time I will cause it to rain a very grievous hail, such as like Egypt's day was founded.
  • Ex 15:5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom like a stone.
  • Le 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour like I [am] the LORD.

    So what Jesus is saying if we have a relationship with GOD in love, than as GOD loves u s and we love GOD, we will also love others with the same relationship.

    Love is relational and requires community. God loves us in relationship and we must respond in relationship. Our neighbour is just another way when we become similes of Elohiym we will want to love others in relationship too.

    Ps 8:5 For thou hast made [mankind] a little lower than [elohiym], and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

    Sad when translators translate "elohiym" as "angels". Cherub are not Elohiym. Can you see how love works?

    When Elohiym loves us, we have a relationship with Elohiym. We become like "elohiym" loving others.

    Does the SOP say this ?

    "Both these commandments are an expression of the principle of love. The first cannot be kept and the second broken, nor can the second be kept while the first is broken. When God has His rightful place on the throne of the heart, the right place will be given to our neighbor. We shall love him as ourselves. And only as we love God supremely is it possible to love our neighbor impartially."

    The SOP is explaining the Hebrew word "kamow" without making the reader doubt the Holy Writings.There is comparisions made here, comparing one thing with another thing. But the reader is not alerted to the Holy Writings having error in translations.It's the translations that are the problem, not the orginal Hebrew Holy Writings.

    Yet Jesus never once writes about fuzzy translations in the SOP. He treats the translations in English as they are and writes English about them in the SOP.This is a kind way to build child like faith..

    Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    Notice another fuzzy translation readers assume and wander off the path the Holy Writings is trying to say:

    The Author shows the writings in the KJV, but colours the pronouns correctly for the reader:-

    Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

  • 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
  • 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Notice another example in a different translation, the Syrian New Testament Peshitta:-

    John 14:26 But she the Holy Spirit, the Comforter whom He will send to you in my Name, she will teach you everything, she will remind you of that which I have told you.

    Is there an example in the Old Testament with this kind of pronoun confusion?

    Again the Author shows the KJV but colours the pronouns correctly for the reader:-

    Ps 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty (shadday).

  • 2 I will say of the LORD (YHWH), He is my refuge and my fortress: my God (Elohiym); in him will I trust.
  • 3 Surely he ( or he) shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
  • 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

    The example of he ( or he) is placed there by the Author because there are two "He who Exists" in the term "YHWH",so its unclear or confusing which pronoun rescues us, and I suspect all three members within Elohiym do.

    Does the Father have "feathers like a bird" ? I doubt it, this is a simile representing a function, that parallels another Co-eternal Being who also functions like a bird with wings, the Holy Spirit, who is referenced in Hebrew as the Shadday.But the Hebrew references this as "his wings". What this is saying is the Father functions via the Holy Spirit, just as a shadow is made from TWO Beings, the functional outline of a shadow comes from the Father of light.

    Notice the yellow shadow is made from "His wings".

    GOD loves us in the way we understand, even a child is saved by GOD with child like understanding. We do not have to know everything about everything in order to love GOD...

    The Hebrew word "support" meaning "faith" means one can support GOD more or less, and it does not matter. The power flow through your life will be more or less, but it's still the power of GOD, and He saves you regardless of the power of wonders in you.What matters is that you respond to the light, grow in the light and make fruits of the Father, pleasing to GOD.

    For more

  • The two personalities of love
  • The Shadday
  • How to support Jesus
  • The Holy Spirit as feminine

    (3) The SOP defines the Father's laws

    Even the moral law fails of its purpose,unless it is understood in its relation to the Saviour. Christ had repeatedly shown that His Father's lawcontained something deeper than mere authoritative commands. In the law is embodied the sameprinciple that is revealed in the gospel. The law points out man's duty and shows him his guilt. ToChrist he must look for pardon and for power to do what the law enjoins.

    Notice the difference between the Ten Arrangements of words by the Father, contrasted with Jesus' arrangement of words:-

    Notice the saving relationship of Jesus with MAN:-

    I am your strong authority...
  • no self authority,
  • let me direct us humbly.
  • Ex 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

  • I am your physical covering...
  • no technologies that make you happy,
  • let me make us happy.
  • Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
  • 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
  • 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
  • I am your power...
  • not your own human power,
  • let me empower us meekly.
  • Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
  • I am your time...
  • not you working or ceasing selfishly,
  • let me share us with others.
  • Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
  • 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
  • 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
  • 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
  • I am Father and Mother,
  • do not destroy my design of family,
  • let me breath life in us.
  • Ex 20:12 � Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
  • I am living,
  • do not destroy my creation,
  • let me engineer us.
  • Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
  • I am relational,
  • do not destroy relationships,
  • let me beautify us.
  • Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
  • I am providing,
  • do not destroy my property,
  • let me provision us
  • Ex 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
  • I am truth,
  • do not belittle my WORD,
  • let me empower us.
  • Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
  • I am desireable,
  • do not desire anything else,
  • let my love complete us.
  • Ex 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
  • As your relationship begins with Jesus, and you become like Jesus, you will in time represent "Jesus" on earth to others.This is how loving works, not in order to "witness" as if "brownie points" help you earn salvation, but because you are so full of Jesus' love, that loving overflows.

    The next chapter of Desire of Ages..we look at "Woes on the Pharisees"

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