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Two Yahweh's. Yeshua is Yahweh. Father-Yahweh and Son-Yahweh..

Q6: Are there two Yahweh's in heaven?

Hypothesis: What does YHWH mean?

Introduction:

The sacred Name. YHWH. Many historians and believers alike saw this amazing context as proof there were two Yahweh like Beings in heaven.

Here is the context:

  • Ge 18:1 � And the LORD "YHWH" appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
  • 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men "enowsh" stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

    So one of the three men must have been YHWH.

    Ge 18:17 And the LORD "YHWH" said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

    Notice YHWH and Abraham talk to each other, face to face.

  • Ge 18:21 (LORD "YHWH") I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
  • 22 And the men "enowsh" turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

    When YHWH continues to speak to Abraham, the other two "enowsh" men continue towards Sodom...

    Ge 19:1 � And there came two angels "malak" (messengers) to Sodom at even;

    So the other two "enowsh" men were messengers, we assume heavenly angels, to investigate the city of Sodom personally.

    Ge 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD "YHWH" ; and the LORD "YHWH" hath sent us to destroy it.

    Clearly the three "enowsh" men are in this story still, even though YHWH is not personally present, YHWH is referenced by the other two angelic messengers.

    Ge 19:14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD "YHWH"will destroy this city.

    Notice YHWH destroys the city, even though the angels said that would...they are speaking on behalf of YHWH, as a messenger speaks on behalf of Him who sends them.

    Ge 19:24 � Then the LORD "YHWH"rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD "YHWH"out of heaven;

    There are two YHWH here is two different locations at the same time.

    Ge 19:24 � Then the LORD "YHWH" (while on earth like the other two angelic messengers)rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven (the Father-YHWH in heaven);

    There are many historians and believers who saw this verse in this way as well.

    Commentary

    Text

    three men: Yahweh + 2 angels appear to Abraham

    "Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. When Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth" Genesis 18:1-2

    It was God who was standing before Abraham in human form.

    "And Yahweh said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?' " Genesis 18:13

    Three men intend on visiting Sodom.

    "Then the [three] men rose up from there, and looked down toward Sodom; and Abraham was walking with them to send them off. Yahweh said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, " Genesis 18:16-17

    God, in human form says this directly to Abraham

    "Yahweh said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do" Genesis 18:17

    God, in human form says this directly to Abraham. This verse shows that Yahweh would go personally to Sodom and see for Himself.

    "And Yahweh said, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. I [Yahweh] will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know." Genesis 18:20

    The two angels, called men, depart, leaving Yahweh behind to talk to Abraham.

    "Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before Yahweh. " Genesis 18:22

    Abraham replies to the man and calls him Lord. Notice the Lord (the man) intended on destroying it.

    "Then he said, "Oh may the Lord [adonai] not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?" And He said, "I will not destroy it on account of the ten." " Genesis 18:32

    Yahweh, in human form, left Abraham and went to Sodom to join the two angels who left earlier.

    "As soon as He had finished speaking to Abraham, Yahweh departed, and Abraham returned to his place." Genesis 18:33

    Two angels visit Lot. During this time, these two are never called Yahweh, neither are they addressed by Lot as Yahweh.

    "Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. " Genesis 19:1

    Lot addresses these two angels, as Adonai, not Yahweh.

    And he said, "Now behold, my lords, please turn aside into your servant's house"" Genesis 19:2

    Notice the angels say that Yahweh sent them. Yahweh is not present with Lot the way he was with Abraham. The change is powerful proof of our major premise.

    "for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before Yahweh that Yahweh has sent us to destroy it." " Genesis 19:13

    Yahweh, the man who was talking to Abraham, was to destroy Sodom.

    "Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters, and said, "Up, get out of this place, for Yahweh will destroy the city."" Genesis 19:14

    Again the two are called angels, never Yahweh.

    "When morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Up, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away in the punishment of the city." " Genesis 19:15

    There are two Yahweh's present in this verse and the context. The man talking to Abraham, called Yahweh, was standing on the earth and commanded the city destroyed. Yahweh in heaven then sent the fire out of heaven.

    "Then Yahweh [on earth in human form] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh [in spirit form in heaven] out of heaven." Genesis 19:24

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    From the same website: Historians who also saw this verse:-

    "And now have you not perceived, my friends, that one of the three, who is both God and Lord, and ministers to Him who is in the heavens, is Lord of the two angels? For when [the angels] proceeded to Sodom, He remained behind, and communed with Abraham in the words recorded by Moses; and when He departed after the conversation, Abraham went back to his place. And when he came [to Sodom], the two angels no longer conversed with Lot, but Himself, as the Scripture makes evident; and He is the Lord who received commission from the Lord who [remains] in the heavens, i.e., the Maker of all things, to inflict upon Sodom and Gomorrah the [judgments] which the Scripture describes in these terms: 'The Lord rained down upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur and fire from the Lord out of heaven.' "(Dialogue of Justin Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew, Chapter LVI 150 AD Justin Martyr)

    ""And again, referring to the destruction of the Sodomites, the Scripture says, "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah fire and brimstone from the LORD out of heaven." For it here points out that the Son, who had also been talking with Abraham, had received power to judge the Sodomites for their wickedness." 180 AD Irenaeus(Irenaeus, Book 3, ch 6)

    ""For Moses, the faithful servant of God, when he said, "The Lord thy God is one Lord," and thus proclaimed that there was only one God, did yet forthwith confess also our Lord [Jesus] when he said, "The Lord [Jesus] rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah fire and brimstone from the Lord." 250 AD Ignatius(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Antiochians, Chapter II.�The True Doctrine Respecting God and Christ.)

    Method: See selected passages, arguments and debates shown to the reader.

    Discussion: See below:

    Ge 19:24 � Then the LORD "Yahweh" rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD "Yahweh" out of heaven;

    A:" The verse implies two Beings doing two actions at the same time in two different locations...thus we have two YHWH Beings at the same time, one in heaven, one on earth ?

    P:" This is just an oddity that occurs in Hebrew. The same thing is found in 1 Kings 8:1:

    1Ki 8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of Yahweh out of the city of David, which is Zion.

    Here we have two Solomons, one assembling the elders unto the other in Jerusalem. Yet, we both know there is only one Solomon. Hopefully, we will both come to know that there is only one YHWH."

    A:" I suppose you could take it that way�interesting though�Could also mean The King gave orders to assemble the elders unto the King in Jerusalem. The verse I showed has Yahweh in two different locations, not as a King on the earth speaking orders from his palace?"

    P:" Here are two more examples; two Spirits:

    Eze 11:24 Afterwards the Spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.

    Two Abrahams:

    Gen 17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham�s house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

    If there are two Yahwehs, then how do you explain the following verses?

  • 1. "Now therefore, O Yahweh our Mighty One, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh Elohim, even thou only" (II Kgs 19:19 )
  • 2. "Thou, even thou art Yahweh alone; . . ." ( Ne 9:6 )
  • 3. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Yahweh, art the most high over all the earth" ( Ps 83:18 )
  • 4. " . . .that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art Yahweh, even thou only" (Isa 37:20 )
  • 5. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else . . ." (Isa 45:5 )
  • 6. "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am Yahweh, and there is none else" ( Isa 45:6 )
  • 7. "For thus saith Yahweh that created the heavens; . . .I am Yahweh; and there is none else" (Isa 45:18 )

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