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Confusing studies with Scripture and SOP, are we born sinners?

Q10: Other SOP themes with "Scripture" ?

HYPOTHESIS: How can SOP themes become confusing?

INTRODUCTION: There are many themes in SOP, not found well defined in Scripture. Some themes are not found in Scripture at all. This makes the SOP, very important to those living in new times, compared to those living in olden days. For one thing the messages of GOD keep up with the times people live.

Sometimes readers studying parts of SOP can become confused with different conclusions because not all her material is studied. One can achieve similar conclusions with Scripture if we do not study all the material on a paticular theme.

This webpage looks at some confusing themes when we compare SOP with Scripture studies.

METHOD: The Author will present a few SOP and Scripture themes that seems confusing.

DISCUSSION: The presentation of Scripture and SOP with comments are below:

(1) "confusing Scripture" : "born in sin"

Nowhere in Scripture does it refer to Seth, "born in sin" whatever that term means.

So unless you pray through the Holy Spirit, and have the tools to investigate Scripture carefully, you will not uncover the hidden messages in Scripture.

Ge 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

The Hebrew word "damuwth" here gives us a clue.

The pictograph reads "through the door flows the fixed mark".

Jeff Benner defines this word as the "likeness of a son from the blood of his father ressembling his father".

What is interesting is other related words to this word:

The word "adamah" is the "strong door flows. Behold the Being!" and suggests the "through the door flows the fixed mark" comes from the ground, from where Adam was first created from. In other words Adam's genetic information, is "through the door of his soul a flow from the fixed mark".

Notice what SOP says about these words:-

To Adam was given another son, to be the inheritor of the divine promise, the heir of the spiritual birthright. The name Seth, given to this son, signified "appointed," or "compensation;" "for," said the mother, "God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew." Seth was of more noble stature than Cain or Abel, and resembled Adam more closely than did his other sons. He was a worthy character, following in the steps of Abel. Yet he inherited no more natural goodness than did Cain. Concerning the creation of Adam it is said, "In the likeness of God made He him;" but man, after the Fall, "begat a son in his own likeness, after his image." While Adam was created sinless, in the likeness of God, Seth, like Cain, inherited the fallen nature of his parents. But he received also the knowledge of the Redeemer and instruction in righteousness. By divine grace he served and honored God; and he labored, as Abel would have done, had he lived, to turn the minds of sinful men to revere and obey their Creator. {PP 80.1}

Notice SOP defines "through the door flows the fixed mark" as the "inheriting the fallen nature of his parents".

They regarded him as a sinner, and accused him of casting out devils through the prince of devils. The circumstances of his birth were mysterious, and were remarked upon by the rulers. They charged him with being born in sin. The Prince of heaven was insulted because of the corrupt minds and the sinful, blasphemous unbelief of men. What a baleful thing is unbelief! It originated with the first great apostate, and to what fearful lengths it will lead all who enter upon its path is seen in the Jews' rejection of their Messiah. {RH, September 5, 1899 par. 3}

Jesus was charged as a sinner, born in sin, because of His mysterious entry into the world.

There is in Scripture a typology of this mystery birth into the world: "David" a simile of Jesus so to speak.

Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity "avon" "guilt"; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

David's birth was also one others saw as "sin" because his mother conceived David through trickery on account of her husband.

See evidence of David's conception.

You can see why the "conception" stage if not seen holy, is perceived by others as "born in sin". Notice this perception is coming from humans, it is how humans saw the conception process. Nitzevet, David's mother did nothing wrong, nor did Mary, the earthly mother of Jesus.

Seth was a worthy character, and was to take the place of Abel in right doing. Yet he was a son of Adam like sinful Cain, and inherited from the nature of Adam no more natural goodness than did Cain. He was born in sin; but by the grace of God, in receiving the faithful instructions of his father Adam, he honored God in doing his will. He separated himself from the corrupt descendants of Cain, and labored, as Abel would have done had he lived, to turn the minds of sinful men to revere and obey God. {1SP 60.2}

What is clear here is inheriting Adam's nature causes our conception process to be fallen, and given the wrong choices of mind, we can become like Cain and do sinful sinning, or through God's grace, ask GOD into our lives and thus overcome our fallen flesh and it's propensities to do sinning, but our minds are connected to GOD, not our fallen flesh, so we live instead a righteous life without sinning.

In other words, despite our fallen condition, we are not born sinning, we are not born sinners, we become sinners, we choose sinning through our mind.

Now some readers looking at this SOP would say "Seth was born in sin" and the reader is correct, the statement does say that, but the statement is not well explained, so do not make your own opinion from this one statement. Looking at all the material on this theme, one can propose something was different with Seth's conception as David's or Jesus' was... or SOP is speaking of Seth's inherited condition making his birth no better than Cains inherited condition. They are both have fallen natures. Whether they become sinners depends upon whether the baby chooses to do sinning.

If humans are born sinners as some theories of faith say, then Jesus was born a sinner. One cannot get around this by saying Jesus was born differently to us, because if that was so, Jesus cannot be the Lamb who died for our sin-offering. The penalty for sin-offering is replacing the condemned flesh with everlasting flesh, the flesh must be of the same stuff. A divine flesh could not atone for fallen flesh, because the offering is not on the same level. Jesus had to come in the same human fallen flesh we who are condemned also have, and we sinners confess our sin unto a sin-offering which is taken by our Sin-Bearer who atones for our sin-offering with His own sacrificed flesh. What an amazing exchange, our death for His life !

Notice what SOP says about our fallen nature:-

(2) "confusing Scripture" : "fallen nature"

In our own strength it is impossible for us to deny the clamors of our fallen nature. Through this channel Satan will bring temptation upon us. Christ knew that the enemy would come to every human being to take advantage of hereditary weakness and by his false insinuations to ensnare all whose trust is not in God. And by passing over the ground which man must travel, our Lord has prepared the way for us to overcome. It is not His will that we should be placed at a disadvantage in the conflict with Satan. . . . "Be of good cheer," He says; "I have overcome the world" (John 16:33).--DA 122, 123 (1898). {1MCP 145.3}

The angels prostrated themselves before Him. They offered their lives. Jesus said to them that He would by His death save many, that the life of an angel could not pay the debt. His life alone could be accepted of His Father as a ransom for man. Jesus also told them that they would have a part to act, to be with Him and at different times strengthen Him; that He would take man's fallen nature, and His strength would not be even equal with theirs; that they would be witnesses of His humiliation and great sufferings; and that as they would witness His sufferings, and the hatred of men toward Him, they would be stirred with the deepest emotion, and through their love for Him would wish to rescue and deliver Him from His murderers; but that they must not interfere to prevent anything they should behold; and that they should act a part in His resurrection; that the plan of salvation was devised, and His Father had accepted the plan. {EW 150.1}

So if Jesus was born with our fallen nature, it means humans are not born sinners, we become sinners, and obviously Jesus never became a sinner.

There is no natural appetite for tobacco in nature unless inherited. {CCh 104.1}

By the use of tea and coffee an appetite is formed for tobacco. {CCh 104.2}

Food prepared with condiments and spices inflames the stomach, corrupts the blood, and paves the way to stronger stimulants. 145 {CCh 104.3}

These SOP tell us certain foods awaken certain genes within us (what science calls today epi-genetics) and this becomes a propensity towards a sinful habit of sinning, but only if our minds choose to sinning thus awakening certain genes with propensities to make further sinning easier to do. But if we live according to the torah teachings, in faith with our heavenly Father, we will grow up away from all dysfunctional influences, such as city living, poor nutrition and lack of exercise. With the help of the Holy Spirit eventually our propensities are closed down again, so they do not wake up again, thus restoring our flesh to a spiritual one more atuned to living with GOD forever in His Kingdom.

For more, study Scripture definition of sinning.

There is no Scripture that contains the phrase "fallen nature", and this is a real problem to anyone studying SOP....if SOP is really a Hebrew to English translator, there must be a Scripture reference somewhere....but where ?

Ga 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Here is something that gives us a clue....the verse has cross references...

Pr 22:8 ¶ He that soweth iniquity "evel (5766)" shall reap vanity "aven (205)": and the rod of his anger shall fail.

Two Hebrew words are listed here but translated poorly.

The Hebrew word "5766" reads "The twisting secure authority" and aptly describes a wicked person.

The Hebrew word "205" "The strong secure seed over the nations" describes the genetic seeds or genetic potential inside us for good or bad. This verse is saying wicked actions cause an epi-genetic reaction for inheritied propensities that allow cetain genes to continue the same wicked habits in the offspring, if such children follow the natural flesh and its desires for the mind.

See Scripture & SOP study of propensities.

The reader should be encouraged to always ask why does SOP writes "English words" in this way and where are these "English words" found in Scripture. Sometimes you need lots of patience in prayer to find the answer. But GOD does deal with fuzzy translations of His Words...the meanings do come forth if you carefully look for them. God bless your research and reading of Scripture carefully.

(3) "confusing Scripture" : "Scripture"

How shall we search the Scriptures? Shall we drive our stakes of doctrine one after another, and then try to make all Scripture meet our established opinions, or shall we take our ideas and views to the Scriptures, and measure our theories on every side by the Scriptures of truth? Many who read and even teach the Bible, do not comprehend the precious truth they are teaching or studying. Men entertain errors, when the truth is clearly marked out, and if they would but bring their doctrines to the word of God, and not read the word of God in the light of their doctrines, to prove their ideas right, they would not walk in darkness and blindness, or cherish error. Many give the words of Scripture a meaning that suits their own opinions, and they mislead themselves and deceive others by their misinterpretations of God's word. As we take up the study of God's word, we should do so with humble hearts. All selfishness, all love of originality, should be laid aside. Long-cherished opinions must not be regarded as infallible. It was the unwillingness of the Jews to give up their long established traditions that proved their ruin. They were determined not to see any flaw in their own opinions or in their expositions of the Scriptures; but however long men may have entertained certain views, if they are not clearly sustained by the written word, they should be discarded. {RH, July 26, 1892 par. 3}

How many of our scholars accept certain word meanings as they were taught by human educators, rather than by Scripture alone? How many of us study Scripture in English alone, trusting the fuzzy meanings as if these words are the very words of GOD? We should compare these English words with the Hebrew words. We should read back our SOP into Scripture, to see how SOP explains the Hebrew in Scripture.

There are truths in the word which are like veins of precious ore concealed beneath the surface. By digging for them, as the man digs for gold and silver, the hidden treasures are discovered. Be sure that the evidence of truth is in the Scripture itself. One scripture is the key to unlock other scriptures. The rich and hidden meaning is unfolded by the Holy Spirit of God, making plain the word to our understanding: "The entrance of Thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple." {FE 390.2}

Dig for treasure, compare Scripture with Scripture, look up every verse about a certain words. Believe words have power.

We are to be established in the faith, in the light of the truth given us in our early experience. At that time one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scriptures with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds. Sometimes whole nights would be devoted to searching the Scriptures, and earnestly asking God for guidance. Companies of devoted men and women assembled for this purpose. The power of God would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error. {GW 302.2}

Spend whole nights in Scripture studies seeking to discern truth from fuzziness. Pray with the Holy Spirit, our teacher and tutor of Scripture.

The people should be educated in such a way that they will search the Scriptures for themselves. 9MR 146. {PaM 152.2

We must study Scripture daily ourselves.

It is the duty of every one to search the Scriptures for himself. We cannot accept the assertions of men as infallible. To those who oppose and denounce our faith we say, Show us from the Bible that we are in error. …..“The Bible, and the Bible only,” must be our watchword. {HS 197.2}

We must not trust our Pastors, our translators and our Church assemblies as though they are infallible. We must learn truth for ourselves. The Scriptures must be our watchword.

(4) "confusing Scripture" : "Science"

We may expect the presence of the heavenly teacher. We may see the Spirit of the Lord diffused as in the schools of the prophets, and every object partake of a divine consecration. Science will then be, as she was to Daniel, the handmaid of religion; and every effort, from first to last, will tend to the salvation of man, soul, body, and spirit, and the glory of God through Christ. --Signs of the Times, August 13, 1885. {FE 99.2}

Why does SOP write science as a "she"? Proof she writes Hebrew ?

Why is science a handmaiden? Hebrew describes science as "mada" and "yada". (`Deliberate pun! )

Da 1:4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science" mada"...,

  • "Mada" is the science of knowledge
  • "Yada" is the science of relationship
  • Wisdom discerns the two, to make wise decisions

    One must spend time with the Science of salvation, which is a "mada" of Christ's words, and a "yada" being intimate with Him in relationship. Such wisdom comes to us via the Holy Spirit, as Jesus teaches us personally his science of salvation.

    Therefore science is a symbol of the Holy Spirit.

    God is the foundation of everything. All true science is in harmony with his works; all true education leads to obedience to his government. Science opens new wonders to our view; she soars high, and explores new depths; but she brings nothing from her research that conflicts with divine revelation. Ignorance may seek to support false views of God by appeals to science; but the book of nature and the written word shed light upon each other. We are thus led to adore the Creator, and to have an intelligent trust in his word. {CE 196.1}

    Again notice science is a "she" and a simile to the "book of Nature". And thus we have two "books of God's truth", the "Scripture torah teachings" and the "book of nature". Both of these books contain science. And both come to humans via our teacher the Holy Spirit. Science is called a "she" because "she" brings to us God's truth about Himself.

    God is the author of science. . . . Rightly understood, science and the Written Word agree, and each sheds light on the other. Together they lead us to God, by teaching us something of the wise and beneficent laws through which He works. {FLB 321.6}

    This is why Spritual Springs uses science as shown in Scripture to reveal hidden mysteries about GOD and His salvation.

    For more please study our Science themes:

    SOP writes a variety of themes, including healthy living. These will be considered later. There is much presented here as examples for the reader, to begin your own experience with SOP and Scripture. Spend time with SOP and begin reading the English back into the Hebrew Scriptures, taking ever deeper drafts of Jesus truth. God bless you. Shalom.

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